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2023 Minutes

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2023 General Meeting Minutes

Meeting Began @ 3:30 pm, Monday 11/13/23 @ Alta Vista CC

I. Board Voted on by acclamation and was passed.

- Ray Sandoval - Chairman/Tournament Director

- Ed Ornelas - Rules and Competition Chairman

- Chris Bunn - Handicap Chairman

- Kevin Finney - Tournament Day Director

- Greg Gomez - Tournament Day Director

 

II. Old Business

            A. Items decided on at last General Meeting

                 1. We will not have flights playing from different tees in regular low net tournaments. All flights will play                          from the same tees as a rule unless the Tournament Committee deems it necessary or the format calls for it.

 

                2. Knuth will stay in place.

              Old Business- Motion/Seconded/Passed

III. New Business

                        A. Membership

                                    1. At current moment we have 63 members.

                                        New members added this year 2023

                                        Josef Lazalde - Simi Valley, CA

                                        Ray Mock - Long Beach, CA

                                        Mike Szeliga - Gardena, CA

                                        Eric Lucero - La Habra, CA

                                    2. Members with 10 Years or more of Membership          

                                        SINCE 2013 Receive award

                                        Brian Morlock - Monrovia, CA

                                       George Gipe - Huntington Beach, CA

                                       Ray Sandoval Jr. - Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

 

                          B. Tournament Schedule for rest of the year and 2023. 

                         TBD means not set in stone. 

                                  1. Dec 12/4/23 – Los Coyotes $135 includes golf, ½ cart, range balls, wager fee and all you can                                                 eat luncheon and libations at Kevin and Lucia’s house after the tournament.

                                  2.   Next year Tentative line up.

                                        January 10, 2024 Wednesday - Miles Square 9AM Tee Times - Individual Low Net - Price $65 golf                                         + $30 wagers = $95

                                        February 8, 2024 Thursday - El Dorado 9AM Tee Times - Individual Low Net - $80 golf + $30                                               Wagers = $110 

                                        March 14, 2024 Thursday - Los Verdes 9AM Tee Times - Team Event Price - $83 golf + $30                                                   Wagers = $113

                                        April 10, 2024 Wednesday - Harding Park 9AM Tee Times  Price - $70 golf + $30 Wagers = $100 

                                        May 9, 2024, Thursday - Rancho Park 9AM Tee Times Price - $70 golf + $30 Wagers = $100 

                                        May/June – Jim Detoskey Memorial TBD

                                        June 13, 2024, Thursday - Wilson GC 9AM Tee Times Price - $70 golf + $30 Wagers = $100 

                                        July Tijeras Creek TBD

                                        August 5, 2024 - Western Hills Time TBD

                                        Sept (TBD)

                                        September 23-25 – Ray Sandoval Sr. Memorial (TBD)

                                        Tentaively, Pacific Grove, Black Horse or Bayonet and Poppy Hills

                                        October (TBD)                                    

                                        November – Alta Vista (TBD)

                                        December – (TBD)

                          C. Cost of Tournaments – 

                                  1. In general the price to play golf is continuing to go up. 

                                        a. Courses are putting a premium on scheduling tournaments i.e. shotguns. Example the LA

                                            courses we are playing are $70 tee times, $88 shotgun and need 72 players minimum and                                                     shotgun start time is 7:30 or earlier are not an option anymore unless we play a private

                                            course.  On public course shotguns pay ultra premium price. $15-$18 bump

                                       b. Courses are no longer offering a senior discount on tournaments.

                                       c. Courses are charging a booking fee extra to book consecutive tee times in a row. 

                                       d. Golf courses are charging a premium for early tee times with dynamic pricing. 

                                       e. Courses are continuing to raise the rate of carts and range balls as a way of getting around

                                            gouging golfers for green fees.  Example Navy now charges $18 per person for a cart and

                                            many places charge $17 like all the Long Beach Courses. Range balls for a warm up bucket are

                                            up to $7 -$9 each. 

 

                                             Ways in which we are trying to save money on green fees

                                              1. Look for courses that give us the best value for the price. Example of this is playing

                                              private courses that might be a small percentage higher on green fees but throw in range

                                              balls, give us shotguns or premium tee times. Instead of fighting with the public courses

                                              that might be less expensive on green fees but when you throw in range balls and a shotgun

                                              or ask for consecutive early morning tee times the price goes up. Plus, the quality of golf

                                              courses at private clubs is just better.  

                                              2. Where range balls are not included buying 3-6 large buckets and splitting balls for all who

                                              want to hit. Cheaper than purchasing 40 warm up buckets at $7 - $9 each. 

                                              3. If have to, book starts with later tee times where dynamic pricing doesn’t kick in or is

                                              waived. 

                                              4. Continue to negotiate with local courses for better prices.

                                              5. Play courses farther away that aren’t as busy to get better rates.

                                              6. Piggyback a tournament with another club. More golfers at a venue usually helps cut

                                               prices but it also makes for longer days. We did this today at Alta Vista and it did not effect

                                               pace of play.

                                               7. Open floor to other suggestions.

IV. New Business from the floor

                                A.   John Nering - Discuss removal of Knuth or if we keep Knuth modify it.

                                                 1. Motion made/Motion seconded/ Vote :  No 24 / Yes 11. Motion voted down

                                B. Bill Malohn/Ted Sonju– Playing from different tees

                                              1. Ted Sonju made the motion that all flights can pick whatever tee they want to play from.

                                                  a. Motion made/Motion seconded/ Vote :  30 No / 5 Yes. Motion voted down

                                                 2. Ted Sonju made the motion that C flight play from the next forward tees.

                                                  a.  Motion made/Motion seconded/ Vote :  19 Yes / 16 No  Motion approved

V. Adjournment at 4:15

                   

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